I love Rocky Marciano. In my opinion, he is criminally underrated. I think it has to do with a percieved (by the boxing community) overrating of him during the 50’s – 70’s, and there was a dedicated attempt by many in that community to put him in his proper place. However, they went too far and there was a feeling for the past 30 years or so that Rocky was not all that a great a champion, and nothing could be further from the truth.
He was a phenomenal puncher, had a great chin, a vastly underrated defense, and a work ethic that was literally second to none. No one out worked the Rock, in either the ring or in training camp.
Now, with the ease of seeing old boxing footage that we did not have in previous years, we can all take a look for ourselves, and have our eyes opened that Marciano was indeed one of the greatest heavyweights in boxing history.
Throughout the 90’s and early 2000’s, there was a huge push by Traditional Martial Arts (TMA), Reality Based Self-Defense (RBSD)/Combatives groups, and “Tactical” Firearms trainers to dismiss grappling as a unneeded component of a complete fighting picture. They would put up the constant refrains about “not going to the ground because multiples” or “because weapons” or “because of needles and piss in the street” (a sidelight here – I always found this funny, because I never walked around in alleys or under bridges where addicts shot up, so I never found myself in a situation where I would have to fight in that environment. I have been in the worst of urban areas, and the trafficked areas where personal crime/assault occurs is rarely in these areas, and yet many “anti-grapplers” are obsessed with fighting there – Just really weird) and use these clichés as reason why you should not grapple.
The problem that they ran into is that with the prevalence of camera phones and the ubiquity of YouTube, the least experienced layman could see that grappling still happened, regardless of what the combative gurus preached, so the open minded folks sought out grappling instruction so they would not get caught in a bad place.
This left the above mentioned group with a major problem – they needed to somehow address this (so they would not lose business as well as still being seen as cutting edge experts), but none of them had any legitimate grappling expertise or experience. The solution? Call it groundfighting! And use selling terms like “we are not in a sporting grappling match, we are fighting for our lives”. That way, they could ignore the fact that they did not have any depth or breadth of knowledge, they could excuse not doing any competition, and if they ever ended up facing a real grappler (a scenario that you know keeps them awake at night in terror) in a friendly sparring match, they could pawn off the inevitable loss with “that was just for sport. In a real fight, it would be different because I could do x, y, z, “.
So they could sell themselves as experts without putting in any time to, you know, actually learning to grapple for real. Plus, as a bonus, they could sell “groundfighting” instruction to clients as superior to true grappling, and it did not take long to learn! Genius!
Here is something odd though. What other human endeavor do we put value on the knowledge of someone who does not have any true depth of experience in something? Would you go to a restaurant where the head cook has never cooked in his life, and his only training comes from a one day session? Would you hire a nanny/babysitter who has never watched a kid before? Would hire an Uber driver who just got his license the day before? Of course not. So why when it comes to our lives, or the lives of our loved ones, we accept the same level of non-knowledge from self-defense instructors? It makes no sense.
Now, these good folks could get away with it when they stuck to generalities and clichés, and could always be quick to invoke the “too deadly to spar” card. They could sell it to people new and inexperienced to self-defense, and never have to prove anything.
Except that in the current social media driven world, you need to put out video product, and that becomes available for the public to see – a public which includes people who actually know something about grappling. And then their glass house becomes vulnerable to tiny pebbles the wind whips up against it.
Such is the case with the included video. Take a look, and then we will break it down.
So, what are the problems? First, before we get to specifics, let’s look at the underlying issue that completely torpedoes this video. The fact that no BJJ/MMA fighter performs those techniques in that manner, ever. Let me spend a moment talking about why that is so damn important. If someone was teaching you to drive a manual transmission by using the clutch with your right foot, and work the gas and brake with your left, but no car on Earth had the pedals arranged in such a fashion, what good will his instruction do? He can be the coolest guy on the planet, with a super funny YouTube channel, and tons of real world face shooting creds, but none of that would matter. What he was teaching was absolutely wrong because it has no application. Well, that is exactly the case here.
So his supposedly experienced partner starts off with a triangle. He talks about it being locked in. No, it isn’t. The leg is at an angle guaranteed for it to fail. So Holloway is defending against a crap, not real BJJ. That is fail #1.
Fail #2 is the “armbar”. Again, done utterly wrong. There is no posture control, the feet are crossed (a complete beginner’s mistake), and to top it off, he executes it as if he was training with a partner, i.e. not applying pressure to break the elbow. So of course Holloway can hold out and get to his feet! Because it is not a real armbar!
Fail #3. The armbar from the mount. And again, he does it wrong. You don’t lay onto your back and then apply pressure. You use the drop to your back to ballistically apply explosive pressure and the elbow goes right away.
And it continues throughout the video. Not one technique executed the way it is actually taught and practiced in a real BJJ school. Holloway sets up a strawman that does not exist. I could go on and on, but it will just get monotonous. The performance of the “BJJ/MMA moves” on this trash has the same bearing on reality as using the Die Hard movies as a paragon of proper weapons handling and use. It is all fantasy.
This is a classic example of someone either a) intentionally lying, or b) fantastically and willfully ignorant. In either case, all he is doing is trying to further his agenda of his system being the best, and that you do not need to train grappling. This has to be his sales pitch because he would get worked over at even a mediocre grappling gym.
Don’t be fooled by this garbage. If the instructor/”guru” cannot point to documented experience with grappling, then bet the house he has no idea what he is talking about.
A favorite refrain from many of the non-grappling Combatives instructors and practitioners in the self-defense community is how getting too involved in “sport grappling” will get you killed in the streets. The card they almost all go to is the one in which the grappler, all occupied with doing his sport moves does not pay attention to what the opponent is doing and gets stabbed or shot with a weapon.
That sounds good, and really neat. And it gives the non-grappler an “out” in which he does not have to waste time training grappling. And is it something the grappler needs to be aware of? Absolutely. The consequences of thinking that your grappling system is the end all be all can be catastrophic if you are wrong. So the smart grappler – the one who thinks about these things and takes action to remedy any issues? What about him?
Well, apparently, to the typical non-critical thinking “tactical/Combatives” person, that person does not exist. Except he does exist. And there are a lot more of them than the critics think. Not just myself, and the people who teach and train similar material like Craig Douglas, Paul Sharp, Larry Lindenman, and Chris Fry, but also all the people we teach and who read our articles/blogs and watch our vids. For example, just in 2017 alone, I have taught face-to-face over 200 people between seminars, Tactical conferences, and weekly classes. That does not take into account all the people getting this information and instruction through various online outlets. Plus, there are other people out there working this material across the globe that I have no interaction with who have decided on their own to pursue this part of the overall self-defense package. In short, there are a lot more potential grapplers who understand this, and that number will continue to grow.
And so what happens when the non-grappler, who eschews real grappling training because it is not “Street”, meets up with the smart grappler? Well, this:
Yes, it is from a movie. But this is exactly the kind of training a lot of people are doing. And this exact scene gets played out time after time in force-on-force (FOF) training.
So what is the guy inside of the triangle going to do? He is being completely dominated and controlled. The person applying the triangle could be a nice guy and put him to sleep, or he could do what is being shown here: do a mag dump into the guy’s face, and there is not a thing triangled dude can do about it. Even if he could bring a weapon into play, the best he could hope for is mutually assured destruction. Not a particularly smart bet.
Minimizing the need to understand grappling, assuming the grappler will not have any idea of how to handle himself against multiples or with weapons present, thinking that all you need to beat a grappler isa weapon or a dirty tactic like an eye gouge. All those things? THAT is how you get kilt in da streetz.
One of the most frequent reasons I hear for someone not doing BJJ or attending a force-on-force class like Craig Douglas’ ECQC is “I need to get in shape first”. I really, truly hate hearing that. Here is why.
The biggest problem I have with that excuse is that we don’t have unlimited time unfortunately. If it is important to us to learn to protect ourselves and defend our loved ones, than there is no time to waste. Waiting until some future moment down the road until we can begin an activity that will require lots of time to do anyway means we are that further away from accomplishing our self-defense goals. A course like ECQC may very well be the single most important SD oriented class you ever take, one that will completely alter what you are currently doing as far as your own training. Why wait to implement that? Because it is a physical class? So what? We are not trying to “win” in such a situation; on the contrary, we are looking to learn, and learning often is best learned through failure. Jump in headfirst as soon as possible. Learn from the experience, and then you will have a much better idea of the next step. Don’t waste another second.
The other main reason I hate that excuse is because real training, as exemplified by authentic Brazilian jiu-jitsu, will get you into the shape you need. It has too, because you are doing physical things and building fitness by doing fight oriented training. One of the reasons being at a BJJ gym is so useful is because it does much more than teach you grappling. See my old article here for more detail:
What is more efficient – building strength and conditioning through non-fight dedicated work, or doing fight focused training that gets you into true fighting shape? If you do the former, you still have to then translate that new S&C work and figure out how to apply it as a driver to your self-defense work. Just jumping in at a local BJJ school will take care of that, plus much, much more. And in spades. You will truly know you can fight for X amount of time because you do it all the time. Not worry that your WOD workout did not get you into enough shape to deal with a committed attacker.
So please, don’t procrastinate. Find a BJJ gym, or sign up for an upcoming ECQC, or one of my weekend seminars, or classes taught by Paul Sharp of Sharp Defense. Start training now. The sooner you do, the sooner you will have a skill set and the work capacity to protect yourself or a loved one
I’m always amused when professional self-defense and tactical trainers defend themselves when they teach poor and outdated material by going to the “well, it worked for this guy and that guy, etc”.
You know what also worked for lots of people? Point shooting from the hip. It worked for Jelly Bryce and countless others prior to the 70’s. And yet these same trainers won’t teach hip shooting because we now know there is a better way. Nor do they teach things like “.45acp is a much better stopper than 9mm” or “revolvers are more reliable than semi autos”. All those things were taught at one time because it was the best we knew at the time. Now, we are better informed. So those things have gone the way of the Dodo bird.
Another thing that worked for a lot of people? Not wearing a seat belt. I don’t think I ever saw my grandmother wear a seat belt, ever. Yet she never was hurt in a car crash. So why shouldn’t we dump all seat belts? Again, because we know better know.
It’s called learning. And it’s based on constantly pushing the envelope of skill and performance. Why don’t football teams run formations and plays from the 50’s? It worked for the Browns and Colts and Lions team et al. But not one team anywhere, not even a high school team, would use the Lions 1953 playbook.
Using the mantra of “it worked” means little. Maybe it worked because the person doing it was a superior physical athlete. Maybe he got lucky. Maybe the bad guy screwed up, or that he was not really that much of a threat. There are a ton of reasons something may work that has absolutely zero to do with whether it’s a good technique. Is it reliable and replicable over time and over multiple situations and can be performed by most people? That is the only thing that counts. Not once or twice, for elite performers, but over and over for the majority of people, especially the “everday joe”.
Take a look at the following video. It is actual CCTV footage of a store robbery by a guy armed with a knife. A customer stops the robbery by KICKING THE KNIFE OUT OF THE GUY’S HAND! You will see it for yourself. It happens, in real time, for the whole world to see. So, by definition, kicking a knife as a disarm “works”. Anyone want to rely on it for themselves? Anybody think a reputable trainer should teach it? Bueller? Bueller?
Here is the big problem with falling back on the “well, it worked” as a justification for something being taught. Let’s say over the past twenty years, we can track how many times that a particular technique, for example the speed rock, has worked for real. For the sake of argument, let’s put the number at 20 that we can document (this is a totally arbitrary number used as illustration to further our understanding of the issue – don’t quote the number). Sounds awesome right? Decent record of success. Sounds like something we should put into the training regime, doesn’t it? Except, what if I said, based on the same documentation, that it FAILED 80 times, and the performer was severely injured or killed. Does that success rate sound so great now? Of course not! Regardless of how many times something worked, if that number only represents a 20% success rater, who cares? I am not staking my life, or the lives of my loved ones, on something so flimsy. So when the trainer tries to justify his teaching of the technique with how many times it worked, he should also tell you how often it did not. If he can’t, then should you really listen? It is the equivalent of having a Pharmaceutical company try to sell you on a new drug and them tell you it will cure whatever disease you have, but then they neglect to tell you that there is a better than 50% chance that it will cause your eyeballs to bleed, and your heart to explode. Anyone want to sign up to take that medicine? I sincerely hope we are smart enough to understand that what we are looking for is something that works far more often than it fails.
Now, if all we can accomplish is 50/50 or worse, and we don’t have anything better as a technique/tactic/training protocol, then fine, we have to accept that. Like chemo for cancer – it’s not a great answer, and may cause more harm than it fixes, but it often is the only cancer treatment at all. But for a technique like the Speed Rock, we have incredibly better solutions, so why should we accept crap?
If this sounds like I am picking on the Speed Rock, well………… I am! It sucks. Period. There are a number of better solutions that are easily learned and trained, and those same answers work in a big variety of situations/scenarios, where the Speed Rock, at best, only works in one small and narrow niche.
If you want to get into the many issues with the speed rock, check out this article:
The author does a superb job of detailing why it is a sub-optimal method for dealing with the close range, entangled fighting problem. Read it, and then if you see a trainer whose only rebuttal is “it worked for me” or “i have a friend who it worked for”, but cannot address any of the salient points in the above article, I would suggest maybe there is an inherent problem with the logic train.
Sorry that I have been slacking on my recommendations. Sometimes life gets ahead of you and all you can do is do your damnedest to keep up!
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My EDC utility knife. Light, handy, with an excellent blade design, with just enough length to be useful for general purpose tasks but not too long to keep in even a business suit pocket. The best part is it’s price. If something should happen to it, I won’t shed a tear at getting an inexpensive replacement.
I found this article very illuminating. Yes, it is another example of a BJJ practitioner using his skills in a self-defense situation. But, take a good look at the article.
1) it was his BJJ skill against a KNIFE. Most SD gurus like to talk about BJJ not doing much weapons work, and will say that is a great weakness of the art, and when someone who relies on BJJ meets a weapon in “da streetz”, they will die. Not only did that NOT happen here, the BJJ practitioner came out if it unscratched, protected a third party, and did little harm to the attacker. All things that according to “experts”, should be impossible. And yet it happened.
and 2) take a look at the picture of him holding down the knife wielder. That is a position that is almost never used in BJJ – not because it is not effective, but if you do it to your training partner, he will probably get pissed off. So it is a street oriented technique that is rarely practiced, and again, the experts will say that means the BJJ player will automatically and unthinkingly revert to only things regularly practiced. And once again, the experts are proven to be ignorant. This person did use it under pressure, and did so effectively.
And here is the topper to all of this. The person is only a blue belt! the first level of promotion. Not even considered that high level in BJJ circles, and he still performed under stress effectively. For those who have an open mind, and understand critical thinking, this should be deep food for thought.
One of the most common refrains heard in the Combatives/Self-defense/Tactical Firearms communities is “Never go to the ground in a fight”. It gets repeated over and over and is trotted out every time someone talks about the concept of grappling in a street fight. Here are a couple of short video clips that shows how moronic that advice actually is:
Now I know that as soon as someone reads and sees this, they are going to say something along the lines of “Well, that is not what I meant. I was talking about rolling around on the ground.” And their feeble excuse is invalid. When you speak only in absolutes and make everything black or white, you lose all rights to later attempt to adjust gradations of gray. Either use the phrase never go to the ground and live with being proven wrong, or refrain from dogma.
The simple fact is that both of those above vids (and I can add in hours more of similar stuff) are ample proof that going to the ground as an answer to the fight problem can be a fantastic solution.
And, again, people on the other side of the debate are going to say that this is fine and is a good idea, and maybe they even teach it. Except that there is no way they can. The plain truth is that the only way you can gain the ability to use techniques like this is to train in the context it needs to be in – GRAPPLING. You will not develop the ability to execute this type of ballistic throw unless you are training it against other people who know how to do it and defend against it, and have the ability to do so. In other words, you need to be on the mat in a place where a knowledgeable instructor with teach you wrestling, BJJ, Sambo, Judo, etc. Those are the only places you will gain that skill set. Not against partners in a combatives/ “street fighting” gym where they have no depth or breadth of experience in grappling. The people who performed those throws in the video clips spent a lot of time training grappling to do so.
And that is why I despise those who use the insipid cliché of “don’t go to the ground”. The only way to dictate where you are in a fight is to train the skill of controlling the other guy to prevent him from doing so and that is only learned effectively in a grappling oriented gym. Period. I have yet to see any video as the ones above where the victor executed a successful throw who was not trained extensively in a grappling environment. Don’t want to go to the ground? Fine, but then learn from the ones who know how to take you down. Not the guy who is showing you chin jabs and axe hands that were supposedly used in WW2.
I did another podcast interview, this time with Paul Carlson of Safety Solutions Academy. It was an excellent one where we really got to explore why I love BJJ so much, and why I think it is so pertinent to a complete self-defense lifestyle. Check it out on iTunes or on his website here:
